Curse

Sharkinu · Oct 22, 2010, 05:11 AM // 05:11

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Originally Posted by Feathermoore Rep

Quit playing at dead hours in a dead game. You play HA at dead hours you'll face the same team over and over again too.

Anyone who played at peak hours or even just outside peak hours never faced syncers repeatedly.

I wasn't playing at dead hours. Last year CB was enjoyable for non-syncers only first 2-3 days (I've made almost 2k points in this time). After that, the rest of the week the game was full of syncers. Hell, you could even go to International district and every 2-3 minutes you could see in all chat: "3..2..1...Go"

Missing HB · Oct 22, 2010, 06:42 AM // 06:42

ROFL the syncing problem is fixed , but the arena isn't made permanent and the system isn't applied to RA.... PATHETIC

Grotesque · Oct 22, 2010, 07:06 AM // 07:06

gg new system! No syncers finaly^^ Do it for ra.

gasp10 · Oct 22, 2010, 07:28 AM // 07:28

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Originally Posted by Grotesque

gg new system! No syncers finaly^^ Do it for ra.

with a remake gladiator point distribution :P
in any case this is only an event to test opinion and look how things go.

Sarevok Thordin · Oct 22, 2010, 08:11 AM // 08:11

I for one welcome this syncing fix, as long as points distribution changes appropriately

*lemming* · Oct 22, 2010, 08:20 AM // 08:20

Please keep discussion of syncing as pertains to Random Arenas to Sardelac.

nix1016 · Oct 22, 2010, 08:30 AM // 08:30

Those who are enjoying the new format of having completely random teams each game either don't play CB much or will complain by the end of the event.

Who wants to get into a good team just to have it replaced by a completely worthless team the next game? Sure there are no more syncers to make you lose, but do you win more with random teams? And if you don't care about winning in the first place, why do you care that there are syncers or not?

GG Anet, I sincerely hope this is limited to CB only and won't apply to other mini-games.

Smarty · Oct 22, 2010, 09:23 AM // 09:23

Just as an experiment, I'd like to see what would happen if there were two versions of CB to choose from. The current one with no syncing and no team continuation, and the old one where you could carry on with a winning team from game to game but at the risk/with the benefit of being able to face syncers/be able to sync with friends. I would dearly love to see how many and what types/ability level of people would keep playing the old sync-friendly version if the new format was there at the same time for the lower-end players (eg me!) to escape to.

Feathermoore Rep · Oct 22, 2010, 10:57 AM // 10:57

We can all blame syncers. We can whine all day about it. Whatever. Syncers were and always will be a QQ by those people who got beat. But thats not the point cuz they should of fixed the coding a long time ago.

However, the other point i want to make is that this arena format is no longer fun for extended periods of time. Without the ability to form a consistent team, albeit random (or supposedly random at the beginning), the arena literally becomes jump in and play for as little or as long as your like. The problem with that with randomization of teams, it neglects team skill, team bonding and individual progression. All of those things important to team play are gone. Now its basically a free for all with alliances.

An individual is supposed to take charge and try and lead a different team every 5 minutes? Try to tell new players where to go, and rally veterans with tactics? Your joking right? Sure we have the minimap and team chat. But your honestly going to tell me thats a viable replacement for consistent teams and skill. No thank you. If I'm going to sit down and play for 3-4 hours like I did ever day during last halloween event, I don't want to have to explain the rules, repeatedly call out tactics, and come up with new tactics every time i get into the match. If your team couldn't win the first match in CB without mass calling tactics, it wasn't a team worth sticking around. If you won, then you started coordinating players, and coming up with tactics.

If you were good, you could lead teams and even teach them how to win given your teams setup as you progressed through on your win streak. Now instead of having any ability of carrying your team or teaching bad kids how to play, your stuck with playing with bad kids 24/7.

And for those of you saying, "if you are really that good you can win 5v4". No. No you can't. It only takes one bad kid, running in and dying every time to lose the game for you. Even if you say that he rage quits and leaves, making it a 5v4. You should never win. NEVER. CB rewards kills. 5v4, the 5 will always win in CB. Even assuming everyone 1v1s. There leaves on guy to double up on another player. Factor in the immense amounts of defense and lack of serious damange, you can trade kills for the win. Trying to out cap a 5 man team with 4 people??? Yea right. Basically the 4 player team should never break seed. In order for that to happen the other team would have to have more bad players than the other team.

That's it. Its no longer a battle of who's better. Its who has the least amount of bad players, wins.

As for the point change. Its not 15. its clearly ten. And the point change is only advantageous to bad players who win less often. Good players who are used to consecutive wins are actually punished in the longer term by winning consecutively. The break point is game 15 (assuming you get 15 points i was getting 10 earlier) If you consistently had streaks longer than 15 in the old format, you lose points in this system. Additionally, if you factor in that a streak of 15 was quicker than winning 15 games in the current random format, you are losing even more points.

Moral of this story: CB is no longer fun for any prolonged amount of playing time, and the arena no longer rewards you for having team skill and success any more.

My New Name · Oct 22, 2010, 11:16 AM // 11:16

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Originally Posted by Feathermoore Rep

QQ

i completely disagree. before it was which guild was better at CB with occasional player who is playing the game like it is supposed to be played getting raped.
now its much more fun and on every game i get 3-6 cons wins which happened rarely be4.
i guess you will just have to learn to play the game without your guildies
kudos to anet

ExoTremo · Oct 22, 2010, 11:46 AM // 11:46

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Originally Posted by My New Name

i completely disagree. before it was which guild was better at CB with occasional player who is playing the game like it is supposed to be played getting raped.
now its much more fun and on every game i get 3-6 cons wins which happened rarely be4.
i guess you will just have to learn to play the game without your guildies
kudos to anet

Then you just must be very bad. sry. And all the good ppl r pulling you now through the game. Because the Update only changed everything to random, skillz and tactics dnt count anymore. Just Luck.

And srsly its annoying to know u r winning the game not because of your skillz and tactics but becauze of luck.

Btw: I am Skillz r7 and i think i can say i am pretty good @ cB without any hubris. I never synced cB, not even once. Anyway i did nearly always 20-60 wins in a row last year, now iam happy about 7. And now tell me again its fairer...you always can beat syncers but you cant beat the pure luck.

Feathermoore Rep · Oct 22, 2010, 11:46 AM // 11:46

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Originally Posted by My New Name

i completely disagree. before it was which guild was better at CB with occasional player who is playing the game like it is supposed to be played getting raped.
now its much more fun and on every game i get 3-6 cons wins which happened rarely be4.
i guess you will just have to learn to play the game without your guildies
kudos to anet

Want an invite to my guild or our vent info? Trust me I'm not a syncer. I'm in a decrepit HA guild with maybe 5 active members, who only stick together because we are all friends. Daily, usually only 3 of us play. Even them the other two are usually farming something. Also the fact they don't care for CB.

I won my matches by playing well. And through brute force of playing with bad kids, finding good ones, and forming team tactics and progression as your team won more and more. 4k gamer points last year, and not one from syncing. Instead i played the game. Taught bad kids how to be not so bad, or at least yelled at them enough so I could continue our win streak.

I beat syncer's and lost to syncers. Usually we lost to the nasty asian sync, with ungodly like spikes. On average I'd say I saw about one or two sync teams a day. Almost all of those were in the wwweeeeee dead hours of the morning. 2am EST and later.

My average conseqs was easily 5-10. That was playing 10 wins, playing 1-5 more matches, finding a good team, winning 10 times and repeat. Where i used to win more matches than I lost, now i lose more because of the lack of team play.

Type QQ at me all you want. Yes i'm bitching. BECAUSE ANET BORKED CB. I feel I have a valid complaint.

A team oriented game with no sense of team cohesion???? Who the RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO would want to play that.

Kook~NBK~ · Oct 22, 2010, 12:06 PM // 12:06

Sounds like a ton of QQ from the sync'ers to me: "I keep getting stuck with bad players." "CB is full of idiots who don't know how to play!" "How am I supposed to win when I keep getting stuck with scrubs?"

Boo hoo! If there's so many poor players, wouldn't being a skilled player tip the scales in your teams favor? I guess there aren't any bad CBers on the opposing teams.

Thevil King · Oct 22, 2010, 12:09 PM // 12:09

sounds like alot of ppl deliberately not read into any of the arguments put forth and just made up a false representation just to discredit whoever they dont agree with. kind of sad lol

Artisan Archer · Oct 22, 2010, 12:15 PM // 12:15

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Originally Posted by Black Metal

no, most balanced class-per-class costume brawl bars so far

What, because NONE of them actually has any options? It's just a 123 spam. 3 dots vs 2 dots, we win, 3 dots vs 3 dots, who has more shrines.
There's barely any form of difficulty in execution these bars.

agrios · Oct 22, 2010, 12:17 PM // 12:17

Had some good times CB'ing last night. Sin and War bars are very good, effective and fun to play. Ele bar, so so. Dont have a monk or rit to play, so I will not speak about'em. Tonight I will experiment the others: Ranger, Necro and Para.

Mesmer bar? terrible. I saw a lot of ragequitting 'cos of it.

ExoTremo · Oct 22, 2010, 12:37 PM // 12:37

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Originally Posted by Thevil King

sounds like alot of ppl deliberately not read into any of the arguments put forth and just made up a false representation just to discredit whoever they dont agree with. kind of sad lol

You said it!

- Well you all saying we r just QQ'in Syncerz:
Syncing is still possible, you just have to Sync for every single Round again and again. And Believe me most Gamer Guilds declared Anet the War now, and thats why they doing so all the time, just in defiance. Events before, Syncers and all other players were doing CB, cauze of the great fun, now everyone is doing it just because of the points.

And srsly is here anyone playing a game for work? Shouldnt we play cauze of the Fun?! Could that rly be the thing CB is existing for?!...well done. Gj.

Essence Snow · Oct 22, 2010, 12:46 PM // 12:46

Most of what I can see is either:

I dislike CB b/c I cannot continuosly roll teams.

I like CB b/c it is now random.

Although it's sad once you find that good team to only have it broken up the next match, I find this year more balanced. (well mesmer bar...no comment) I find now that it is more about individual skill vs team skill, so one needs to step up their game if they find that they are losing a lot.

drkn · Oct 22, 2010, 03:08 PM // 15:08

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Necro is once again awful.

Last year necro was awesome when played correctly and kept an eye on the energy flow.

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(well mesmer bar...no comment)

The most PvP-mesmery build CB ever had.

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What, because NONE of them actually has any options? It's just a 123 spam. 3 dots vs 2 dots, we win, 3 dots vs 3 dots, who has more shrines.
There's barely any form of difficulty in execution these bars.

If you're bored with it, play a mesmer. If you like it, keep on playing whatever you like and spam 123.
Simple enough.

bhavv · Oct 22, 2010, 03:09 PM // 15:09

Way to punish non syncers that manage to get a good group just because a few people sync.

Getting consecutive wins isnt possible anymore. I enjoy being able to get up to 25 consec wins in the same RANDOM group when we all play well together.